Valerie Houghton is an attorney who sex trafficked my children

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By: Ben Z.
Category: Other - Lawyers
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san jose, california
Supplemental Guide Valerie R. Houghton:

The definitive guide to dealing with Valerie Houghton.

She is the client. It doesn't matter who is paying her or what is requested, Valerie Houghton has no loyalties. She will create outcomes that yield her the most money. Ms. Houghton separately told both me and my spouse to pay her in cash and keep her retainment a secret.

Valerie Houghton doesn't care about anything. I told her that my spouse was letting my 13 year old son be molested. Instead of taking proper action, she used that information to extract assets from my spouse to be placed into trust. I was not allowed to discuss it with my son.

Valerie Houghton is well connected with other attorneys and judges. She will contact opposing attorneys, as well as your own, to both create unnecessary conflict and to prolong the process. There is a lot of con artistry involved, including having the judge involved.

You are going to be hacked. Make no mistake about it. Information is king, Turn off the wifi function on your phone. Use an iphone because it is easy to do a DFU restore. Using the factory reset on an android phone wont suffice. Make sure to restore periodically. Dont open attachments. Dont leave your phone unattended.

Prepare for at least one of the parties to have a restraining order, even if there is no abuse. This is standard in all her cases. If the parties cannot communicate, she is in control. She also likes to put people in jail, or threaten to do so. Valerie can be quite the bully.

Valerie Houghton is vindictive. She will take it personally if you disobey her or dispute her invoices.She gets off on annihilation. Valerie threatened me on several occasions not to fire her. After she did nothing about my son being molested, I fired her. At the next hearing the judge vacated all of my hearings, but kept a temporary restraining order going. I was subsequently cut out of my kids lives. Something was read from my spouses attorneys phone and I agreed. I didnt understand at the time that it was a three year restraining order and I could only see my kids if mother permitted brief and peaceful contact I never got to see or sign any document. The judge couldnt even tell me a reason why I couldnt contact my kids when I asked him at a later hearing. I later saw on Ms. Houghtons website that the judge was listed as a personal reference. There are many more judges that she is connected to, as I later found this out through my experience dealing with her. I dont have any sound advice on this one. You cant fire her. She will stay on your case until your kids until your kids turn 18 and there is no money left for her to milk.

Valerie Houghton uses a private investigator named Carlos Gonzalez. He has a team of young hispanic males that work for him. They likely work on the cheap and are unlicensed. They are capable of doing almost anything, including stalking, harassing, threatening, hacking, breaking and entering, drugging, and poisoning. The drugging and poisoning are easier to do than one might imagine. Although I experienced both, the poisoning is likely reserved for extreme situations, such as filing a complaint. By the way, never file a complaint against her. If you have kids the drugging is likely, even if you are paying her. Remember: the only interests that matter are her own. If you start failing drug tests and need drug treatment to see your kids, start suspecting that Houghton is involved.

Once she hacks your electronic devices, Valerie will penetrate your social circle. She also is HIGHLY adept at using social media. She will use that for data mining and to stalk you. Valerie will dig up dirt to threaten and blackmail you. Please recall the example that I gave involving my son getting molested. I suggest deleting all of your accounts, including Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, and anything else. If you are hacked, she will also send out messages from there if it suits her needs. Valerie is a sociopath on steroids. Most people will take her money, including friends and some family.

Stay away from starbucks and other restaurants. With Valerie I learned that most people will take money, including for drugging.

Valerie Houghton is EXTREMELY smart and very stubborn and cunning. She will figure out highly elaborate charades to cheat you. Again, she doesnt take no for answer. I don't have any specific advice for this. If she wants to cheat, she will likely get away with it, especially if she involves your attorney and/ or judge.

Don't trust anyone. You cant even trust your own children if Valerie is involved. She will use them for information and school them to do what she wants. People might try to advise you, including friends and family. Valerie likes to involve anyone that she can, even people at your job and your doctor.

Change all your locks. Don't give out any keys.

Your children are her ATM machines. She knows that you will do and pay whatever is necessary to see them. This is how she maximizes her profits.

The more assets you have, the longer the divorce will drag out. She wants everything, especially the big stuff like the house. Remember she will involve everyone, including all the attorneys and judge. Make sure to ask around before hiring your primary attorney. This is something that I hugely regret not doing. I was pushed into getting an attorney who was connected to Ms. Houghton.

Valerie is capable of ANYTHING, including assault and letting your children get raped. Anything goes, so be extra careful. Besides being a therapist and attorney, Valerie Houghton is also a registered nurse who used to specialize in medical malpractice. The only reason that I know all of this stuff is because I have been dealing with her for the past six years. You might not realize that she is secretly pulling the strings until years later. But if you already know that she is on your case, expect all of the above, excluding the poisoning (if you haven't complained).


I told my attorney, Valerie Houghton, during my divorce that my ex-wife was letting an older man molest my 13 year old son. I also told my other attorney Leah Amini and the supervisor for visitation, Marie O'Leary. The two attorneys mostly ignored me. Ms. O'Leary would not allow me talk to my son about.

At the next hearing (following my concern) my ex-wife agreed to disclose that she had hidden $130,000 worth of gold coins. I was completely surprised that she would agree. Valerie Houghton never even mentioned the possibility of the gold coins. I thought that I would never see them again because my ex-wife was so greedy.

We each got $25,000 and my attorneys got $80,000 to be placed into trust.

Valerie had threatened me on several occasions before that hearing. She demanded cash payments for her services and said that if I ever fired her or Ms. Amini that the judge would be mad at me.

I fired both attorney's after that hearing. Ms. Houghton represented my ex-wife without disclose to me.

At the hearing after firing them, the judge vacated all of my hearings without my consent, but he kept a TRO that prevented contact with my kids.

I was subsequently permanently cut off from my kids. My ex-wife's attorney read something from a phone. I didn't understand at the time that it was a three year restraining order that prevented contact with my children for three years. I could only have "brief" contact if "mother approved." I never had the opportunity to review or sign a stipulation. There was not even a hearing for domestic violence on calendar.

I asked the judge at a subsequent hearing to give me a reason why I couldn't contact my kids. After several minutes on the computer, he couldn't give me a reason of ANY kind.

My son recently turned 18, so I was able to confirm with son that he had indeed been molested. I have strong reason to believe that my other 3 children have also been molested, but I have not been able to confirm that because I have not seen them in over 6 years.


I was looking forward to seeing my kids after three and a half years without contact. I was completely heart broken and couldn't continue in my job working with other kids as a result of the estrangement. I became homeless and asked for a reduction in child support. Surprisingly my support actually went up. At the time I was working in a warehouse. The judge left me with $300 a month to live off. I couldn't even afford to eat enough.

After the renewal was granted and child support went up, I checked Ms. Houghton's website ( I noticed that Ms. Houghton listed the judge as a personal reference and that the judge previously employed her at his law firm.

I then filed complaints with the State Bar of California and the Commission on Judicial Performance. I also filed a lawsuit in the Northern District of California to compel a judicial recusal.

Ms. Houghton removed her website from the internet. I was also stalked, harassed, and poisoned. After an acute poisoning, I was forced to file a voluntary dismissal of my complaint in district court and to end the State Bar's investigation.


I don't think that it was all about the money with Valerie. I believe that she is a sadistic person. She enjoys inflicting pain on others. When I brought up what she did to my son, she made a joke about it.

I don't believe that she is capable to provide any help to a parent or their children during a divorce. She is in it as much for the money, as she is for the pain. You can read more on this and the judge here:


In 2017 Valerie Houghton sued several people for falsely disseminating that she misappropriated about $2000. She claims that it damaged her reputation and business.

Surely publishing on the internet that attorney and therapist Valerie R. Houghton poisoned me and sex trafficked my children would be even more damaging. If it were false, why is Valerie Houghton not suing me?

I want to be fair to Ms. Houghton. Even though this web page appears on the first two pages of a google search, I will email Valerie a screenshot and URL of this page to valerie(at)


Ben Z. Says:

She wouldn't let me talk to my son about. He suffered in silence. No one could help him. The gold was more important.

Ben Z. Says:

It is difficult to deal with someone who lacks empathy. Valerie tries to make you feel like a terrible person. It is all by deflection. For instance, she will force a person into homelessness, then rub it in that the person is homeless.

Now she is justified to continue abusing you.

The lack of empathy also causes her to behave in ways that are bizarre. How many people do you know would poison a person to get them to give up their children? It's not like she is the parent. Valerie is so selfish that she has no ability to think about it from a parent's perspective.

She act's as if my kids are her slaves.

The craziest part is her reasoning. If she continues to let them be molested, then she didn't do anything wrong.

Ben Z. Says:

I have to say, "Poor Ms. Houghton."

She let my son get molested and likely the other kids.

Instead of fixing it, she forced my hand to complain more. Now she has "lost a lot of business"

Poor Ms. Houghton.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie only deals in misery. She pays others to help, but ultimately she achieves her goals by inflicting misery on a target.

Her expertise is finding weaknesses, then devising protocols to inflict the maximum amount of misery in an attempt to get her target to submit to her whims.

There are no rules to the game. She doesn't care who she harms, nor about laws and societal norms.

Valerie combines her tactics on the street with the use of court proceedings. The combinations make her more dangerous than a person who just hustles on the street because the court provides an element of cover.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie says that she "lost a lot of business." She claims that it gives her the justification for doing the same exact thing for a second time.

She completely ignores that fact that she let my son get molested and that my other children are showing indications that they have also suffered the same fate.

That stuff is all meaningless to her.

So what is her answer to fix the conditions which caused me to complain?


Ben Z. Says:

She won't let up. It is a huge joke at this point... Valerie needs to read the "Emperor's New Clothes." I think that it was written especially for someone like her.

My children are being sexually abused. All she can think about is abusing me to get me to take it back.

It's too late for that. Everyone already knows all the details.

Ben Z. Says:

Physical abuse, emotional abuse, financial abuse, and sexual abuse.... she is the complete package. I never imagined that a person like her could be a licensed therapist and attorney representing children.

Ben Z. Says:

Ms. Houghton said that my ex-wife expected me to "work in the salt mines," at one meeting at her office. The irony was that she insisted that I answer any calls related to work whilst I was at her office.

She also said that Ms. Amini was "worth her weight in gold." That was right after the hearing at which my ex wife agreed to disclose and divide the gold coins.

Ben Z. Says:

I fired both Ms. Amini and Ms. Houghton before that next hearing. I think that the next step was to appoint attorneys to represent the children and liquidate the gold held by the attorneys.

I was already being extorted for the cash by Ms. Houghton, so she was all set.

Ms. Houghton was in firm control after getting the information about my son getting molested. My Ex-wife was going to do anything that she asked.

Once I fired the attorneys, all bets were off. The only source of income left was from my ex-wife. That's why the judge really did get mad. He renewed the temporary restraining at the hearing after the substitution of attorney was filed - even though he vacated the trial for domestic violence without my consent during that same hearing.

Ben Z. Says:

Shortly after Ms. Houghton got $80,000 in trust, I started to get emails from one of my sons. There was a restraining order in place that prevented responding, so I did not respond. I told my other attorney, Ms. Amini, as well as Ms. Houghton. Ms. Amini advised me to respond, which I did. I told my son to make sure to floss when he brushed his teeth.

The next day I received a scanned copy of a letter written by Mr. Terry Szucsko, who was my ex-wife's other attorney. He said that the police would be called if I responded to the children again. Ms. Amini advised in the same email that the letter was attached to that she would take it up with the judge.

Ben Z. Says:

If Valerie believes that anything that I have written is inaccurate, I have invited her to comment below and/ or sue me. My full name is published on the linked website listed in the previous comment.

If they allowed me to protect my kids, I would remove all the posts.

Ben Z. Says:

I also post on this website frequently:

I want to protect my kids and not be assaulted for trying to do so.

Valerie and the Judge have the power and the sword.

Without the pen I have nothing.

While I fully support adding as much content as possible to this report if the allegations are in fact true, I can't help but find it a bit odd that so many similar comments are being posted by the same person on almost a weekly basis.

I've had issues in the past with people abusing sites of mine and often such people will bombard the comment sections regularly to make search engines view the page as a current source of information about the subject and make sure links to the post are frequently featured as recent comments on home pages or blog sidebars. When I see so many comments that appear to be from the same source I can't help but begin to question the motivations of that source.

Ben Says:

What she does is CHILD ABUSE.

If you dont walk away away and let her do it, then you are in the line of fire.

Ben Says:

It's all about abuse and control so that she can feel better about herself. If you are nothing, then she is something. She doesn't discriminate. Children are the easiest targets. They have the least control out of all of us and can be easily manipulated.

Ben Says:

Valerie plays a sick game that she gets off on. She does something sadistic and cruel, then laughs at the outcome. She laughed at the fact the my son was molested. She also laughed at all the different effects that the poisong has had on body, including how it has changed the way that I look.

Ben Z. Says:

If Valerie is on your case and she separates you from your kids, you should consider just giving up on them. Kiss them goodbye. The abuse is going to get worse. Once it starts, it can never end.

The only reason that I continue is because of the sexual abuse.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie Houghton assumes all of your rights if she is on your case.

1. You don't have the right to protect your children.

2. You don't have the right to privacy.

3. You don't have the right to make your own decisions regarding your court case.

4. You don't have a to be a human being.

Ben Z. Says:

You can read more about the personalities of people who poison here.

Ben Z. Says:

You have to see Ms. Houghton's tweet to believe it.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie Houghton has still not filed a law suit against me. The reality is that everything that I have written is true.

I question her judgment. If she says that she has "lost a lot of business," why would she continue to make demands that I give up on my children? I clearly won't give up.

I call on Valerie to leave me alone. It would be more productive for her business aspirations if she would find solutions that don't involve the rape of my children or poisoning her former clients.

Ben Z. Says:

What Valerie has to offer is perpetual misery. Once the abuse starts, it never ends.

Valerie sex trafficked my kids. Instead of having a sense of responsibility for her actions, she blames me for what she did.

Ben Z. Says:

I recently saw a documentary on Tommy Lucchese. He used to offer window washing services to retail stores. If the store manager declined, Mr. Lucchese would break the windows.

Ms. Houghton let my son get molested. I was still paying her at that point.

Then Valerie had the kids bait me into violating a restraining order. The threats from Houghton were constant during the period that I retained her. I ended up getting arrested at one point.

It would have been better if Mr. Lucchese was my attorney. The rules would have been more clear cut.

Ben Z. Says:

There is not a more dangerous person than Valerie Houghton. She doesn't care who knows about the sex trafficking and assaults. Valerie doesn't fear anything.

Look how much information is posted just here. She still continues to have me stalked and poisoned. Not even making reports to the police make her abate.

Valerie is not stupid. She knows that she won't get caught. Anyone who retains her should keep this in mind.

Ben Z. Says:

She got the assets placed into trust and left the child molestation to continue to occur. Valerie knew EXACTLY what she was doing. She even said that the kids would be "finished."

What a disgusting human being she is to now have me poisoned and do the same to my youngest daughter. There is no going to court. There is no acting in a civil manner.

Houghton expects everyone else to pay for her sins.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie Houghton told me before I fired her that my kids would be "finished" without me. This was after she concealed the child molestation. She knew how damaged they would be if my ex had sole custody, but she "finished" them anyways.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie argues that when sole custody was given to my ex-wife it was okay because it was "bought and paid for." She neglects four facts. (1) I told her that my ex was allowing an older man molest my son. (2) I was a client. (3) I never did anything warrant losing contact with my kids (4) Selling custody is ILLEGAL

Ben Z. Says:

I really don't understand her logic. Valerie has already gotten at least one of my children molested. What is the point of giving my daughter to a documented rapist? All the necessary people have been notified and I have posted a copious amount of information on the matter. How could giving my youngest daughter a lifetime of misery make it better for Ms. Houghton? She is acting absolutely insane. Maybe she can overturn all the laws against pedophilia while she's at it.

Ben Z. Says:

I was the one paying her, but she acted like I worked for her.

We don't even have a working relationship anymore. She will not leave me or my kids alone.

She wants my kids to turn tricks for her. There is no other way to put it. She knows that they are being molested and insists that I should not try to protect them. Valerie acts like she has authority over us, but she is nothing but a former employee. She is completely crazy.

Ben Z. Says:

Why should Valerie have to pay for her own misconduct? She wants me to apologize to her.


I am sorry that you let my son get molested. You should have been allowed to use that information to get assets placed into trust without a complaint. Even though you are a mandated reporter, it was wrong of me to file a complaint. I deserved to get poisoned. Please accept my apology.

Ben Z. Says:

I paid every penny that she asked for before she let my son get molested. I listened to all of her advice and only treated her with the utmost respect. Valerie doesn't do feelings. She has no loyalties. Everything is contrived. Only chaos can result when actions are not based in reality. Instead of an emergency screening, there is a restraining order against me and the child molester was left unimpeded. Then the police report that showed no domestic violence was removed from the record. Now my children are damaged. She will not show any remorse. Valerie just cracks jokes about it. I would have kept her as my attorney if she would have done the right thing. It wasn't much to ask. I just wanted basic human decency. There would have been more money for her in the long run.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie got 60% of my gold coins placed into trust. It wasn't even a 50-50 split. Valerie held herself to be the most important party in my divorce. I don't know if she always shoots for 60 percent of your assets, or how she splits the money. What I do know is that she has no loyalties. If anyone stops paying her, she will feel entitled to get it by using the other party. Houghton doesn't care how she gets it, or who she hurts in the process. So if you are getting everything that you want, beware because you made a deal with the devil.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie Houghton does not stop terrorizing you until you give her what she wants. She will have you harassed at work, or any place that you go. Typically a person will talk on the phone or two or more people will have a conversation near you. They will talk about your personal life and details regarding your divorce.

You will very likely get hacked. She will harass you that way, too.

If she is on your case, remember to never have Wifi turned on for your phone or computer. Also, periodically do a factory reset and never keep those devices in places that other people can access them.

Lastly, periodically change the passwords and don't use the same passwords across devices and accounts. Password managers work well for that.

Ben Z. Says:

They live in fantasy land. If the record shows it then it must be true.

The most dangerous people work in medical malpractice.

Your heart rate can go below 50. The ER staff will give you a clean bill of health, but demand that you take medical transport back to your car.

You can stop urinating for more than 24 hours, testicles atrophy, and the shape of your face change, but your blood work will look better than it has in more than 20 years.

Ben Z. Says:

Please view this video of Ms. Houghton speaking about parental alienation. The video is quite telling. Ms. Houghton maps out how she conducts herself once you hire her. In one instance she mentions that molesting goats is not reportable.

I am a behaviorist by trade. There is no such thing as a coincidence. A young goat is a kid. In my specific case she refused to report that my son was being molested. Ms. Houghton is a mandated reporter. She instead used the information to get assets placed into trust.

Pay close attention to all the facial gestures as she speaks.

Ben Z. Says:

Here are links showing Ms. Houghton's connection to the judge in case (Judge James Towery). Ms. Houghton listed him as a personal reference and a former employer at his law firm.

Ben Z. Says:

I have been poisoned so many times that the shape of my face has changed. This is all funny to Ms. Houghton. She identifies with the Joker. I can see why. Causing misery is funny to her and she does things that most people would never think to do. How many attorneys do you know that would poison a client for complaining? Have a look at my picture. The driver's license picture was taken one and a half years ago.

Ben Z. Says:

Going through a divorce is difficult. But after I retained Ms. Houghton, I was essentially fighting two people, my ex and her. Houghton had her eyes on the assets as much as my ex did. She had her own ideas on how custody would be go after I told her about my ex letting an older man molest our 13 year old son. If Valerie would have acted on the information as she was legally mandated to do, the divorce would have been over and she would have squandered a way to get $80,000 worth of gold coins placed into trust. How I wish that she had never been involved. The divorce was already contentious as it was. The reality is that Houghton does NOT serve a function of any kind. She is only in it for herself.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie treated me and my kids like trash. She let me son get molested, then took away my kids and poisoned me when I complained. She never saw me as a human being. It was her right to do all of that. Valerie never cared about how my son felt. She never cared about taking my health.

The only things that matters are her own interests. I offered to stop complaining if she left me and my kids alone, but that is not good enough for her. She has to give my daughter to a rapist. To that end Valerie continues to poison me. There is no way to reason with her, which is ironic because she claims to specialize in "mediation".

She is the ultimate sociopath, selfish and without empathy or remorse.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie Houghton acts like she is entitled to everything. She gives you two choices. Either give her what she wants, or she will take something else. Her entitlements include your money, children, peace, and privacy.

Once she takes all of that, Valerie will then make offers that include your health.

She will never stop until she gets what she wants. Valerie is the epitome of what it means to be a monster.

She has zero empathy for others. Arguments that include wanting to protect one's children from getting raped fall on deaf ears.

The only things that matter are her own interests. There is never a sense of remorse or shame regarding what she does. Valerie will make it all fall on you.

Ben Z. Says:

Here is a link with more information about how Valerie Houghton operates within the context of divorce.

Make sure to read this page

Don't forget about the PDF posted on this website.

Ben Z. Says:

In 2017 Valerie Houghton sued several people for falsely stating that she misappropriated about $2000 through email and discussion. She claims that it damaged her reputation and business.

Surely publishing on the internet that attorney and therapist Valerie R. Houghton poisoned and sex trafficked my children would be even more damaging. If it were false, why is Valerie Houghton not suing me?

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie has no respect for anyone else's rights. If you don't comply with her demands, she will create misery for you. She only thrives in chaos. Valerie will never offer benefit or compromise. Expect to be threatened and harassed. Houghton aims to break your spirit and make you submit. Demanding that your children be raped is not outrageous to her. That should tell you everything that you need to know about her sense of empathy. All the begging for mercy on my children only led to her mocking me. The therapist license threw me for a loop. It was confusing because she was constantly using psychological terminology, but she was really just manipulating me. Valerie knows how to threaten with subtlety and a smile.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie is just a terrible human being. I was poisoned again yesterday. SHE WAS THE ONE WHO LET MY SON GET MOLESTED. She should have to pay for her own sins. Why should my daughter have to get raped? Why should I have to get poisoned because I won't stop fighting?

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie has no sense of remorse. If she does something bad to you, Valerie treats it like it is your fault. She will do things to make you look and feel bad. If you say anything, she will punish you in court or with one of her outside tools.

Alienation and misery are the names of the game. She will come off as a caring therapist at first, but your life will soon be turned upside down. A divorce is already hard enough. Valerie creates a hell on earth for her clients.

The difficult part is realizing that she is actually the one pulling the strings. Everything that she does is indirect, covert, and by trickery. If things are going haywire and she is on your case, then it is safe to assume that she is the one causing the chaos.

Ben Z. Says:

Fatal Attraction is the movie that comes closest to Ms. Houghton. Even before I complained I was being threatened on numerous occasions. Valerie never does anything directly. It will come via emails by fictitious people, subtle threats from the visitation supervisor and getting repeated robocalls daily for home security after saying something that Valerie doesn't like.

She sticks to you like glue. You are a source for not only money, but also sadistic pleasure. Strange things will start happening in your life after you phone gets hacked. Valerie likes to tamper with every aspect.

There is no one to reason with. You might as well talk to a brick wall because she has ZERO empathy, even if you talk about protecting your kids from getting raped. It is funny to her.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie had her eye on the money from the very moment she laid eyes on me. There was no way that she was going to let go. Valerie was going to get all the money one way or another. She let my son get molested to keep the money pumping. Valerie is a MONSTER. She says that she "lost a lot of business" because I complained. She cannot take any responsibility. Valerie says that I need to pay "taxes." There is not a worse human being in Santa Clara County. God save all of the children.

Ben Z. Says:

I got poisoned again today. She is a thug and a brute.

Ben Z. Says:

It was a curse to be referred to Valerie. She hijacks the divorce. The attorneys represent their own interests. They don't have a care for the litigants.

Valerie is a mandated reporter of child abuse. When she found out that my son was getting molested, she concealed it and profited from the information. If she would have acted appropriately, the divorce would have been over. She wouldn't have been able to prolong the conflict and drain the bank accounts.

Ben Z. Says:

Valerie Houghton's job is to terrorize you until your children turn 18 and all the money is gone. She will never leave you alone. There is no benefit that is offered. She doesn't make any money by being helpful. Valerie is a chaotic person, and can only express chaos.

Restraining orders will never go away. She needs to have you arrested. Valerie wants you to walk on egg shells, so that she can sow obedience.

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